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Below the auspices of the India Sensible Grid Discussion board, the suppose tank based as an umbrella group over India’s 28 state utilities to supply thought management, share main practices, and produce worldwide insights to India, I’m delivering bi-weekly webinars framed by the Brief Listing of Local weather Actions That Will Work. With the glories of on-line recordings and AI transcription instruments, it’s comparatively simple to share each the transcript and the slides that I used, so I’m making a behavior of it.
Most not too long ago, I delivered a chat and held a Q&A session protecting my ideas on the decarbonization of trade, one thing thought of onerous to abate however which in actuality is simply considerably costly to abate. For many who choose talk-talk to read-read, right here’s the recorded video of the presentation and dialogue:
Reji Pillai (RP): Good morning, good afternoon, good night to all of the members from world wide and large welcome. Thanks to Michael for doing this collection with the ISGF. So in the present day’s matter is just not my space of experience. I’m not going to delve something deep into it. You at all times hear about onerous to abate sectors, the commercial sectors that are onerous to abate from the emissions. So Michael can be speaking about that. There are applied sciences, however at what price? And also you additionally hear rather a lot about lots of the new esoteric options and on hydrogen notably we can be doing a separate session in the course of the collection, so there can be about 15 of them, and that is the fifth one. And sorry about final fortnight we needed to miss as a result of I’ve been touring and the following one can be on 4 July. So with none additional delay handing over to Michael.
Michael Barnard (MB): Thanks, Reji. Thanks, ISGF. As at all times, I’m privileged to be given the chance to help India, one of many nice international locations on this planet to string the intersection of accelerating affluence and lowering carbon emissions. It’s doable. I hold discovering different areas the place India is doing very nicely. I’ll speak about a kind of in the present day, however that doesn’t imply we will’t all do higher. So this session is about industrial processes. As was talked about, we’ve been coping with the place is the power coming from? How is it shifting round? How can we ensure we have now sufficient of it at totally different occasions? And there are solutions for all these questions in earlier discussions. Please be happy to return on these. However this one is about what’s termed onerous to abate.
And it’s probably not all that onerous to abate. We simply need to have the desire and discover the cash. We even have to cost carbon. So I’ll be speaking about this. I’ve comparatively few slides, however they’re fairly dense. So my apologies for that. Let’s undergo every one among them pretty fastidiously, and hopefully then on the finish, we’ll have a number of time for questions.
Okay, let’s begin with the large hitter. In industrial emissions, most of them come from burning fossil fuels, 65% to 75%. It’s simply course of warmth. It’s creating the warmth that we require for an entire bunch of different stuff. And as we transfer ahead, we’ve acquired an entire bunch of solutions. Considered one of them is only a number of applied sciences throughout the underside, and I’ll speak about these.
However one other is the place proper now it’s least expensive to make use of a warmth based mostly course of sooner or later. As we transfer away from warmth, the query turns into, what different processes might we use that may truly cut back our power necessities? One of many issues I’ll say that’s not on the slide is electrochemical processes, on common, use about 50% of the power of warmth based mostly chemistry processes. You possibly can benchmark that with hydrogen, can benchmark that with a couple of different issues, however that’s form of one thing to bear in mind. So our power necessities, as we shift to electrochemical options in lots of circumstances diminish considerably. It’s additionally price noting that we’re fairly inefficient in our use of warmth as a result of fossil fuels are so grime low cost, so we simply form of burn extra fossil fuels at operational expense as an alternative of constructing the processes extra environment friendly.
That is one among Reji’s factors, a spot the place individuals hold pondering hydrogen is required. One of many key items of inaccurate info that folks appear to carry onto is that electrical energy isn’t good for prime temperature warmth, and so we’ll want hydrogen. And that’s fully false. As I take a look at paperwork world wide, one of many amusing issues I discover is in the identical huge, like, 100 web page federal technique from america, in a single place they’ll say, and we use electrical arc furnaces for metal in temperatures of 1500 to 3000 levels. After which afterward they’ll say, and we’d like hydrogen for something over 200 levels Celsius warmth. It’s simply very simple for individuals to have this odd concept that we will’t do it with electrical energy.
Just lately, I spent a while recording a podcast with Paul Martin, a chemical course of engineer with 30 odd years of constructing for shoppers globally, new modular chemical processing crops. Crops that require temperatures of all ranges. And he shared with me that in his dozens of crops for over 30 years, designing them, prototyping them, constructing trial ones, within the check and trial phases, he had to make use of a flame precisely as soon as. There was one course of in over 30 years that really wanted the traits of a flame, and all the things else was fully, adequately met by electrical energy.
As we form of undergo this, we now have 200 levels is an fascinating level. 40% to 45% of all industrial warmth is under 200 levels Celsius. And so meaning what? Oh, warmth pumps are fully match for function for 40% to 45% of business warmth necessities.
Which means the effectivity of warmth pumps are there as nicely. As a reminder, one unit of electrical energy right into a warmth pump turns into three models of warmth. So for 45% of all industrial warmth, our power necessities are literally going to plummet by two thirds. That, as soon as once more, makes it a lot simpler to construct the renewables required to ship that power.
Infrared heating is one other. It’s one of many spectrum of the way we will ship warmth for various processes. All of us have seen infrared. There’s infrared saunas. However industrial processing, generally you want that radiant warmth, and we will ship it by electrical means.
That is truly a spot the place warmth storage turns into very strongly viable as nicely. Typically onerous to combine into an present plant, however very simple to construct into new crops. We’ve now acquired a number of warmth storage applied sciences. They’re low cost. They assist you to shift the operational expense of power to low price night nights and early mornings, after which ship that power within the type of warmth, the place course of warmth is required in the course of the day. Throughout operational issues, warmth storage doesn’t essentially work as nicely for twenty-four 7365. Industrial processes. However for something the place there’s a day shift and night time diminishment of exercise, you’ll be able to arbitrage electrical energy charges for warmth storage, for processes that require warmth. There’s one place that warmth storage tends to recover from its skis, and that’s that warmth storage is just not appropriate for storing electrical energy to be returned as electrical energy, simply just because the exergy losses signifies that when you put one thing into warmth storage and produce it again as electrical energy, you’re solely getting a couple of third of the electrical energy again. Not for that function.
Nevertheless, I’ve been satisfied over time by varied individuals who designed this stuff that when you want 95% warmth and 5% electrical energy, generally the most cost effective method to supply the electrical energy is to make use of the warmth retailer and get inefficient electrical energy out of it. Anyone who has any warmth storage resolution which leads with electrical storage for return of electrical energy, take a look at them suspiciously. However there’s numerous nice ones on the market. Rondo out of america will get it proper. Sand, water bricks, carbon bricks, all types of applied sciences are there. They’re all quite simple. And to be clear, you may get warmth storage at tons of of levels as nicely.
Resistance heating, that is simply the identical stuff as you’ve got on an electrical range that isn’t an induction range. Electrical stoves merely, they simply warmth up a coil like an outdated incandescent mild bulb. Now we have warmth applied sciences as much as six to 700 levels Celsius with resistance heating. Kanthal, a northern European firm, gives that expertise to industrial websites globally. As soon as once more, resistance heating match for function as much as tons of of levels Celsius.
Then we get into electromagnetic frequency heating, which incorporates induction heating. So a lot of you most likely have induction stoves, they’re way more frequent exterior the west, which has a couple of bunch of gasoline and different stoves. With induction stoves, we induce magnetic currents in ferrous supplies and get even greater heats of particular characters. We simply need to design for them.
Subsequent is electrical arc heating, which I’ve talked about earlier than, as much as 3000 levels Celsius. We already use it globally for electrical arc furnaces. I’ll be speaking extra about these later. However it’s additionally used for an entire bunch of different stuff. It’s simply fully doable to attain these sorts of temperatures required.
Then lastly we get to electrical plasma. Now, an electrical plasma is sort of a flame produced from electrical energy, if the flame is the temperature of the solar’s floor, as much as 10,000 levels Celsius, a strict cloud of very popular gasoline created with electrical energy. That’s very helpful for an entire class of options. It may be onerous to work with, so it’s not trivial to make use of it, however it’s fully viable.
Typically we hear from industrial customers and from industrial warmth individuals, however they’re not prepared commercially. And the reply there’s, you must separate commercialization into two classes. Are they technically prepared? Are they out there and out there from business producers? And the reply for all of those applied sciences for that’s, sure, these are match for function industrial options. The second is, are they generally used trade on the similar scale as burners of fossil fuels? And the reply isn’t any. We’re fully in a position to scale these applied sciences and ship these applied sciences on the scale wanted to fully electrify warmth. We simply haven’t but.
That will get to the query of why? Properly, as a result of it’s less expensive to burn fossil fuels after we can use the ambiance as an open sewer. As quickly as we alter that dynamic by some mixture of carbon pricing and regulation, in order that it turns into costlier to make use of warmth from fossil fuels, then these all grow to be price aggressive. In lots of circumstances, the associated fee competitiveness is sort of simple to attain. I discussed the warmth pumps. When you’re utilizing a 3rd of the power to create the identical quantity of warmth with warmth pumps, then that’s a low hanging fruit scenario for trade. You realize, that they’re not doing. It’s merely reticence to undertake stuff that’s new.
There are challenges. To be clear, a few of these challenges are capital expenditure. Altering your course of means you must spend a bunch of cash on new gear to get this working. Then there’s operational bills, grime low cost fossil fuels, versus sometimes costlier electrical energy. That requires adjustments.
Then there’s the cognitive ones. Lots of people in trade, what occurs is they are saying, okay, I’ve to decarbonize my industrial processes, and so they flip to their provider of gases or stable fuels, and so they say, hey, Sid, inform me, Sid, what are you going to offer me to burn that’s low carbon, and that’s not the proper body. The appropriate body is, hey, Sid, and all different suppliers, together with electrical energy, what’s going to present decarbonized power that I require for my industrial processes? It’s simple for individuals to get caught in that house the place they suppose they want one thing to burn, when essentially they don’t.
There are assertions from trade that these aren’t prepared for prime time, that they’re not appropriate for his or her course of. That’s false. However it’s simple for them to listen to from their suppliers, like Sid, who sells pure gasoline to industrial processes, oh, nicely, we’ve acquired you lined with blue hydrogen or renewable pure gasoline, you’re lined. It’ll be nice and it’ll be low cost. None of these issues are true. Renewable pure gasoline can be costlier, hydrogen can be much more costly. Hydrogen brings its personal full set of capital and operational expense issues with it, in addition to, you realize, elevated dangers and stuff like that. In order I look throughout this house, I’ve been searching for years for anyplace the place I couldn’t use electrical energy to resolve an industrial warmth downside, and I’ve not discovered one. As I stated again to Paul Martin, 30 plus years of expertise constructing chemical processing crops, as soon as he had to make use of a flame.
This isn’t a tough downside to resolve, and that’s 65% to 75% of business emissions. Now, to be clear, that’s a number of energy to ship and a number of power to ship to trade. In some circumstances, the place trade is positioned now could be as a result of it’s handy to get fossil fuels. Sooner or later, new industrial sectors will find yourself being arrange the place it’s simple to get low cost electrical energy from renewables. The outback of Australia, the place you’ve acquired numerous wind and many solar, and it’s simple to set that up. Some processes are going to begin evolving into totally different places based mostly upon the place there’s numerous wind and photo voltaic, however that’s a transformational factor over time. And a few industries can’t transfer like you’ll be able to’t transfer cement. Cement is so huge and heavy that you must make it very native to the place you want it, so that you’re not going to maneuver that round. However I’ve solutions for cement. Okay, sufficient on warmth.
I discussed cement. So it is a chart of cement manufacturing from 1990 by the current. About 4.1 billion tons of cement had been manufactured final 12 months, and that’s about the identical as 2020. By the best way, the curve is extremely steep. That curve is one we’ve seen with metal, it’s one we’ve seen with an entire bunch of different stuff. Since 1990, we’ve began manufacturing 4 occasions as a lot cement globally. And cement’s an enormous local weather downside. Each ton of cement comes with nearly a ton of carbon dioxide. Due to manufacturing, most of that comes from decomposing limestone into fast lime (calcium oxide) and carbon dioxide.
The great factor about decomposing that in a kiln is the waste is carbon dioxide and it simply goes up and it disappears into the ambiance. Clearly not a fantastic resolution now that we perceive the issue. However it’s additionally onerous to get round as we take into consideration limestone. It’s outdated seabeds, mainly. All of the shellfish shells drifted right down to the underside over millennia. In hundreds of thousands of years, some calcium carbonates, bicarbonates precipitated out of the water and drifted right down to the underside. After which that was compressed after which was lifted up. As a result of it’s outdated seabeds, limestone is obtainable just about all over the place on earth, fairly conveniently, in layers probably tons of of meters thick and tens or tons of of kilometers lengthy and large.
It’s below a number of the bottom on each continent, which signifies that if we’d like it it’s simple to search out as a result of it’s a sedimentary rock. It’s not that onerous, so it’s pretty simple to quarry. As a result of it’s a rock the quarry’s partitions keep upright, which is sweet. You don’t need to shore up the partitions notably. After which decomposing it requires 900 levels Celsius warmth. Again to the warmth downside. Now, this cement decarbonization is fascinating as a result of it is a place the place the emissions from the method warmth are overwhelmed by course of emissions from limestone. Keep in mind, limestone turns into lime and carbon dioxide. That carbon dioxide is rather a lot. It’s very onerous to get round that.
Manufacturing cement might be eight to 10% of world carbon dioxide emissions. Extra when you rely the usage of pure gasoline with its methane leakage, which we’ve been specializing in rather a lot not too long ago. You’ll discover this blue curve right here. This curve is my projection of the equal of that billions of tons, metric tons of cement. Once I say the equal, I imply we’re going to substitute cement with different options. In lots of circumstances, these options are decrease mass for a similar consequence. What meaning is this isn’t going to have so as to add as much as billions of tons in the identical method.
The second factor that’s necessary is that is diminishing. The query to ask is why is that this curve diminishing in my perspective, and it’s for a couple of causes. Most of this progress from 1990 to 2020 was China. China manufactured 2.1 billion tons of the 4.1 billion tons of cement manufactured globally final 12 months. However China is approaching the top of constructing the entire infrastructure and cities it requires for its 1.4 billion individuals. And its inhabitants is flat. Its ghost cities are actually filling up, however they’re not full. It has considerably urbanized its inhabitants. It’s constructed 45,000 kilometers of excessive pace rail, 177,000 highways, cities for almost all of the inhabitants who will find yourself of their areas. It’s at 59% of shipbuilding globally, which suggests all of the shipyards, these large shipyards, are constructed. It constructed the Three Gorges Dam and lots of different dams. It has one main dam up within the mountains below building that dwarfs the Three Gorges.
The rapidity of progress that’s tailing off. China will begin shifting into a rustic that isn’t constructing practically as a lot infrastructure internally, so its cement demand and different calls for will diminish. On the similar time, India, Brazil, Indonesia, and the remainder of the creating world are going to extend their demand, however not on the charge that China did between 1990 and 2020, and to not the identical diploma. They’ll pull much more of the levers for lowering and changing stuff. So this curve is the equal. However you’ll discover how quickly precise Portland cement (the white line), the first downside, the stuff comprised of limestone, declines whereas this stuff, these curves on the backside, enhance slowly over time.
You’re truly the primary individuals, viewers to see this. I completed this projection yesterday, and so that is the primary time I’ve spoken to it, however it’s been a very long time within the making. I spent the final month on concrete.
This curve is engineered timber. Engineered timber mainly cross laminates skinny sheets of ply a couple of millimeters thick with epoxy, and turns them into engineered beams, hardwood flooring, and absolutely load bearing flooring, and full partitions. In buildings, you’ll be able to truly do a full mass timber building and substitute a lot of the concrete, solely requiring the inspiration to be made with concrete. It’s permitted as much as twelve tales in Canada and in Sweden they don’t have any restrict so long as the buildings are structurally sound.
They engineer timber beams to switch the load bearing constructions of bolstered concrete, and so they do it with a fifth the mass, as a result of engineered timber is a lot stronger than bolstered concrete. You truly substitute 5 occasions as a lot cement and concrete with simply the engineered timber load bearing constructions. That’s why it is a huge substitute for all of this. And it’s out there in most components of the world proper now. We extract 3.5 billion wooden merchandise globally, and we waste a number of it on single use paper merchandise, that are higher in some methods than single use plastic merchandise, however inferior to multi use merchandise. My projection is we’ll find yourself displacing tons of of hundreds of thousands of tons of present timber extraction and shift to extra sustainable timber extraction, and that can in flip displace 5 occasions as a lot cement and concrete.
One different factor about engineered timber, you should use it in hybrid buildings the place the load bearing constructions are bolstered concrete, and the entire partitions and flooring are mass timber. With that, you’re nonetheless getting 50% concrete and cement financial savings. With a full mass timber resolution, you’re getting 70% to 80% concrete and cement financial savings, as a result of the inspiration continues to be bolstered concrete.
For now, geopolymers and epoxies are my subsequent huge lever. Geopolymers, mainly we take proper now coal technology fly ash and blast furnace slag. We grind them up and we combine them with alkaline substances and silicate substances. Potassium hydroxide and potassium silicates is one among them, and sodium hydroxide and sodium silicates are one other. You combine them collectively and so they flip into a protracted chain polymer, which in flip is stronger and higher than cement in some ways. You simply take the mixture and you’re taking these geopolymer precursors, combine all of it collectively, you add the alkaline substances and the silicate substances, and it turns into this very stable factor with no cement. There’s no limestone concerned on this course of. And since we will truly use biomass ash, I’ve grow to be extra bullish on this proper now. We’ve acquired a number of fly ash from coal crops globally. We’re nonetheless producing a number of it. Now we have a number of blast furnace slag and we’re nonetheless producing extra of it. Much less in, you realize, the west, extra within the creating world. I’ll speak about fairness in a minute.
However then there’s additionally copper slag, there’s additionally pink mud from aluminum, after which there’s additionally biomass. One factor that India is doing, which may be very fascinating, is rice hulk ash. India is a pacesetter in utilizing biomass from agricultural waste, from rice manufacturing, from the paddies, to burn it beneath clay brick kilns. And so then you find yourself with this rice hulk ash, which can be utilized in geopolymers. Rice hulk ash is excessive within the silicates which can be mandatory for the creation of the lengthy chain polymers that include geopolymers.
Epoxies are comprised of oil. They’re a petrochemical, they’re costlier. However as soon as once more, you realize, utilizing petrochemicals is ok so long as you’re not burning them. And if we flip some oil into some glue and use that to displace cement, that’s a way more virtuous cycle than others.
So these, by the best way, the engineered timber, great quantity of that out there within the creating world. Extra within the creating world in lots of circumstances, than within the developed world. Geopolymers and epoxies, tremendously out there sources between waste from blast furnaces and coal crops, and rice hulk ash. As famous, it’s strongly out there within the creating world as nicely.
Subsequent is efficiencies of supplies and software program. One of many key issues is that if we take, for instance, carbon fiber and use that with Portland cement as an alternative of, or in a slight addition to the bolstered metal, what we will do is get a a lot stronger concrete course of with rather a lot much less concrete and cement bolstered. So carbon fiber bolstered concrete is definitely a lot lighter and thinner for a similar structural properties. And that’s truly one thing that may be designed in.
Equally, we’ve acquired replacements for metal mesh in concrete. Bolstered concrete slabs with fiberglass, and fiberglass and carbon fiber are issues that may be decarbonized. They allow us to do sure courses of issues with concrete which can be simpler and cheaper in course of views.
The software program is software program that everyone within the developed world can use. It’s all out there stuff. Finite ingredient evaluation and generative structure. As I say, there aren’t any flies on the engineers and designers within the creating world. They’ve the instruments to do stuff rather a lot higher and extra effectively than america and China did from 1990 to 2020. So, because the ramp up happens within the creating world of infrastructure, the supplies use can be way more environment friendly due to the software program instruments which can be out there, and lots of extra excessive tech supplies can be used to scale back the general infrastructure construct.
Constructing renovation is the following one, as we have now constructed so many buildings. Let’s take China for instance. As they constructed so many buildings and they don’t seem to be growing their inhabitants, the query turns into, do they tear down and substitute a constructing, or do they simply repurpose it within the first world, proper now, simply take a look at Calgary, for instance. Calgary is the capital of the oil sands in Canada, and so they constructed a number of buildings for an entire bunch of corporations that had been oil sands extraction corporations. Properly, and now that trade is compressing and consolidating. And so there’s all these workplace buildings which can be untenanted. In Calgary, final time I had a rely, there have been 19 workplace buildings. There have been usually 20 and 30 tales that had no person in them as a result of there have been solely a handful of head places of work left after the consolidation. They usually’d automated a lot stuff, not doing practically as a lot exploration.
So now Calgary is popping them into housing. It’s changing an present constructing into condos and flats. That turns into a reuse course of within the constructing renovation and reuse universe. They are saying the bottom carbon constructing is the one which’s already constructed. We’ll be doing much more of that over the approaching many years as an alternative of tearing down stuff and constructing new stuff. That’ll assist.
Then there’s lime useful resource substitute cement. There’s form of two elements to this. One is there are processes on the market that may take present concrete and get the cement out of them that’s already emitted all of its CO2 after which reactivate it in an identical solution to the best way that limestone is processed, after which return new cement from recycled concrete. So I anticipate that one to take action.
After which there’s lime bearing rocks like basalt, dacite and diabase, which have rather a lot much less lime than limestone. Limestone starting with lime is form of a clue as to the ratio. It’s 56% lime, 44% CO2. However for some circumstances we’re going to have the ability to say, oh, on this case it’s least expensive, not many circumstances, to make use of basalt as a result of we have now an enormous supply of basalt right here and an enormous quarry, and we’ll simply settle for that we’re going to get much more waste rock, which we’ll discover some makes use of for in some circumstances, and a few costlier cement. However it’ll be low carbon as a result of basalt diabase and dacite web site don’t have carbon. In order they decompose into lime, which is helpful for cement, and a few silicate rocks, which we will use in some methods for supplementary cementitious materials.
Lastly down on the backside right here, carbon seize and sequestration. I simply completed the evaluation of carbon seize a couple of days in the past, which can be mandatory to have the ability to do that in maybe 5%. It’s going to make financial sense to impress the warmth or cement after which seize the comparatively pure CO2 stream carbon dioxide stream from the cement kiln and put it someplace. Not for all the factor, although, as a result of we don’t actually have infrastructure to place away 4 billion tons of carbon dioxide. When a cement plant, however, is true beside a sequestration web site, an electrical warmth is used. So it’s fairly pure carbon dioxide that’s popping out, it should most likely make sense to shove the carbon dioxide so long as the sequestration web site is sweet for many years of output of the cement plant. In that case, it’ll most likely pencil out.
However in any other case, all these different choices, avoiding cement fully with engineered hardwood shifting, avoiding cement with geopolymers and epoxies. Avoiding cement with new supplies and software program instruments. Avoiding cement by reusing buildings we’re already utilizing, and avoiding new cement by lime replacements. These all make higher financial sense. And in order that’s form of the story for cement decarbonization. This line is indicative of the decarbonization curve. So it’s a excellent news story. That is fully viable with applied sciences we have now in hand in the present day.
That is one other chart I simply developed not too long ago. That is about metal, as a result of we’re pivoting to a different main industrial matter. This one simply says, take a look at the West, United States and Europe, and their large many years lengthy metal manufacturing, after which the decline. This curve is China since 2000 and India on the backside. Now China goes to pivot. One of many huge fairness questions is, how can the west say to the creating world, don’t do what we did? And from 1980 to 2020, China has made itself extremely prosperous. India is making itself fairly remarkably prosperous with out practically as a lot metal as China. About 90 kilograms per capita proper now, nonetheless nicely under the west. Properly, all these issues I talked about, the decline, cut back the quantity of cement we require, may also cut back the quantity of metal that’s required.
And so a number of the replacements now with trendy applied sciences, that are simpler to decarbonize, and decarbonization of metal itself, make this fairness chart a way more palatable story for the right way to keep away from doing this huge hump within the center and the right way to keep away from doing what China ended up doing. For probably the most half, India goes to develop extra. China goes to pivot as a result of it’s completed with its infrastructure, which is a big shopper of metal. It’s nonetheless going to be constructing numerous ships, automobiles and stuff. So it wants metal for that, however rather a lot much less. After which India is just not an export economic system. It’s way more of a home manufacturing economic system.
Brazil, Africa and Indonesia can be behind India and aren’t going to be constructing the identical diploma, the identical scale of infrastructure as rapidly and won’t be constructing the manufacturing capability that China constructed as a result of it’s pointless in a world the place inhabitants peaks between 2050 and 2070. So there’s a excellent news tales by way of some of these things, however individuals within the west don’t actually love this chart as a result of it’s a century of us emitting carbon.
Okay, so that is the metal story. This one I did a 12 months and a half, two years in the past, I believe my first model. So there’s one other nice information story. So that is what number of? 2 billion tons of metal. 1990, we’re below a billion tons. So we’ve doubled it in that time period. As soon as once more, that steep curve was largely China. China proper now as soon as once more produces half the metal manufactured on this planet. In 1980, america and Japan had been the 2 largest producers and shoppers of metal. Now they’re third and fourth. India is now the second largest producer of metal, after China. India is simply manufacturing a tenth of the metal that China is. In order that peak that’s going to gradual considerably as a result of a number of that metal goes to infrastructure.
As famous, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Africa can be accelerating their metal demand. However we have now some instruments there as nicely. It’s a a lot easier story, fortunately, than cement. As we take a look at this, I’ll simply begin with there’s new metal after which there’s scrap metal. Now, proper now, america has 71% of its metal demand met by scrapping metal in electrical arc furnaces. They’re not good, they use pure gasoline from preheating. However that’s electrifiable. And that’s prone to be the place the vary that everyone strikes into over time. As we get to the top sport, I anticipate 75% of demand can be met as we scrap metal, home equipment, automobiles, pipelines, refineries, oil tankers, and switch that into merchandise, that are infrastructure merchandise and shopper merchandise, after which feed that cycle, which nonetheless means we’d like 25% new metal.
And notice that 25% is just not that a lot under whole demand in 1980. However we have now a number of applied sciences for that as nicely. That is all blast furnace and open fireplace furnace. However down right here within the direct discount stuff, we have already got Midrex and ArcelorMittal syngas DRI applied sciences, the place biomethane artificial gases can be utilized to scale back iron into iron ore or cut back iron ore into iron, mainly de rusting it. We will try this with organic sources of methane. That’s additionally amenable to that hydrogen course of that Hybrit has been doing. There’s additionally the molten oxide electrolysis course of. So we have now three totally different decarbonization applied sciences. For metal, biomethane syngas is commercialized and out there in the present day. It’s only a bit costlier. Hydrogen is commercialized and out there in the present day. Molten oxide electrolysis is the one one which isn’t a business product but. However there’s a number of individuals engaged on it, and the provenance may be very sturdy. I’m undecided which one among these will dominate. It’s going to be fascinating to see which one will dominate, however I’m comfy that metal is definitely a really solvable downside. As soon as once more, course of warmth from electrical energy. And we’re speaking about what can be used for the chemical strategy of discount of iron ore to iron, not the warmth requirement. Okay, Reji talked about hydrogen.
I’ll simply point out some industrial locations which can be huge sources of emissions in the present day. So this field is all the usage of hydrogen in refining crude oil. It’s used for hydro cracking, which is popping heavy oils into lighter variants. And it’s used for hydro treating, desulfurization, which takes impurities out of the crude oils, like sulfur. Alberta’s and Venezuela’s merchandise are heavy bitter crudes. They’ve numerous bitumen, numerous sulfur. That’s the place most hydrogen is used. As we transfer ahead with the discount with peak oil demand, which is throughout this decade, in accordance with the Worldwide Power Company, the primary crudes that can be off the market would be the heavy bitter crudes.
It’s not excellent news for the industries and governments of Venezuela and Canada by way of that portion of their economic system, however why would individuals pay extra when the world is awash with mild candy oil that’s near water and low cost to get? In order we transfer ahead, the heavy bitter cruise can be off. And the hydrogen demand, which is a full third of hydrogen demand in the present day, will go away. And all of the emissions from that hydrogen demand will go away.
Equally for ammonia fertilizers, proper now we make them from coal gasoline and pure gasoline. We strip the hydrogen out and we put the hydrogen into the Haber-Bosch course of to make ammonia, which we mix with varied issues to make fertilizer, which is critical. However we have now a number of levers, which I received’t speak about at size to scale back this. Precision agriculture, low tillage agriculture, some organic processes. My projection has us diminishing the quantity of fertilizer we require.
And naturally, we’re going to be offering hydrogen for that with inexperienced electrical energy. All quite simple applied sciences. all very nicely commercialized in the present day. This isn’t rocket science. It’s only a bit costlier, and a few of it’s a lot inexpensive. Utilizing drone based mostly seeding and spraying is rather a lot cheaper with higher crop outputs.
Okay, final slide. Different industries. So aluminum, two to three% of world emissions. That’s as a result of we use carbon anodes, which get consumed and switch into carbon dioxide. After we use that electrochemical course of with aluminum, with bauxite ore and different issues, the alumina that comes from bauxite ore, that we flip into aluminum, and we’ve acquired inert anodes that don’t get consumed or that in the event that they do get consumed, don’t flip into carbon dioxide. We’ve acquired an answer for this. This isn’t rocket science.
It’s simply as soon as once more a bit costlier as a result of proper now we make carbon anodes, in lots of circumstances from resid, the stuff that’s in asphalt on roads, and the stuff we used to burn in marine transport engines is simply one other waste stream they pushed over to right here. Most of that resid comes from these heavy bitter crudes that are going away. So we’re going to have that variance.
Pulp and paper, that’s 70% power. So 70% power, clearly electrification, however we’re additionally going to as soon as once more divert single use to mass timber. So meaning we find yourself with a virtuous factor. Oh, one thing I forgot to say about mass timber. Each ton of mass timber is way decrease emissions than concrete, clearly, however it additionally, each ton of mass timber additionally sequesters a ton of carbon dioxide drawn from the ambiance for many years. After which at finish of life we have now a number of, I’ve counted 5 methods to date to completely sequester that. So we divert single use to mass timber that takes carbon that was within the ambiance, sequesters it for many years, after which we completely sequester it after that. It makes buildings carbon unfavourable.
For glass electrification within the huge requirement, after which there’s a handful of simple course of adjustments we already know for the method emissions. We’re not doing them in the present day as a result of as soon as once more we’re treating the ambiance as an open sewer and it’s unpriced. 80% of that’s power, and recycling and electrification are big about that.
A bunch of lime is used there, and there are options to limes like magnesium oxides and aluminum oxides, which suggests we don’t have to make use of limestone for that. It’s simply low cost proper now. After which we have now limestone options. That is place probably the place basalt diabase and dacite is perhaps used extra.
There’s nitric acid, which is utilized in fertilizer. It produces a number of nitrous oxide. Nitrous oxide, N2O, has 273 occasions the worldwide warming potential of carbon dioxide. It’s an enormous deal. As we cut back our use of ammonia based mostly fertilizers, we cut back our requirement for nitric acid for them. After which there’s a handful of present course of adjustments already identified to cope with that. It is a solvable downside.
Now we have the applied sciences and options. It’s truly not that onerous to abate. We simply have to cost carbon and produce the quantity of power required and alter a few of our processes.
That’s form of the top of my dialogue. We did find yourself taking a bit of longer there. I’m not stunned, as a result of I stated the slides had been dense, and one among them was the primary time I spoke to it. So we have now time for questions.
RP: The viewers, those that undergo it. Anybody has any questions, please submit it on the group within the chat field. There’s one query from our pal Rish, which is on the display. Over to you, Michael. However strictly talking, information facilities don’t come below the worldwide processes. That is nonetheless below the buildings group. However anyway, it is a very quick rising space, which is consuming tens of 1000’s of megawatts yearly in lots of locations.
MB: I’ll reply this as a result of I’ve been irritated by this present spherical of hysteria about information middle power use. I did the mathematics for america. If we take transportation and trade, information facilities are 1.3% of the power necessities of transportation and trade. And information facilities are nearly very sturdy patrons of inexperienced electrical energy. The power for transportation and trade is all fossil fuels, that are creating the local weather downside. And the very huge information middle use is electrical energy. Now we have to impress all the things.
And one of many huge solutions for local weather options is digitalization as we take into account a few of these issues. I did a 151 web page report, an evaluation globally in machine studying and all of the methods it’s being utilized in clear applied sciences in 2020. (Attain out to me if you need a replica of it.) If we take materials science for photo voltaic panels. Now, most materials science is utilizing machine studying to search out excessive effectivity intersection factors inside advanced materials areas to allow us to do a lot much less testing to get greater effectivity and outcomes. Just about all materials science these days features a huge stream of machine studying and AI, and that’s decarbonizing nice swaths of our trade.
Folks fear about this. I did the mathematics as a result of I exploit ChatGPT and DALL-E from OpenAI to generate pictures. I decided that it was round 0.4 grams of carbon dioxide per picture between all the educational and the precise execution of the factor. So 0.4 grams, that’s about 21 grams for a cup of espresso.
The second piece of context is that was with the outdated chips. NVIDIA simply launched a chip that may be a graphic processing unit upon which all these items operates, which is 25 occasions extra energy environment friendly. So take that 0.4 grams and divide by 25. Knowledge facilities have been a robust demand sector for inexperienced electrical energy, creating markets for renewables. They signed energy buy agreements in all of the developed world, and in a lot of the creating world as nicely, for the power they require.
The hysteria is misplaced. The dimensions of the issue is way decrease. They don’t seem to be the issue. And so I at all times ask the query on this one. Who advantages by pointing fingers at information facilities? May or not it’s transportation trade and the fossil gas trade which provides all of their power? I don’t know.
It simply appeared a bit of apparent to me. I do know that I’ve been monitoring this hysteria for many years. It first emerged within the Nineteen Eighties with e-mail use. At one level, individuals had been claiming that emails had huge carbon money owed. After which within the mid nineties, it was information facilities half one. After which within the late nineties, it was one thing else. After which in late, in mid to late two 1000’s, it was AI half one. The primary hysteria about coaching AI fashions occurred. Then in late 2020, there was one other burst of it as a result of an MIT research got here up. It was fairly exceptional. That is simply the newest spherical of it. It’s a distraction. Getting apprehensive about information middle demand for electrical energy is a distraction from the actual issues. It’s largely a regional downside.
When it comes to the Pacific Northwest, United States, they aren’t constructing sufficient transmission, storage and electrical technology. And so will increase there are taking electrical energy away from different locations. However that’s as a result of they’re not doing their job of constructing numerous electrical energy, constructing a number of transmission, constructing a number of storage.
RP: Utilities, electrical utilities love information facilities as a result of it’s a relentless load, nearly 24 7365 days fixed load. So they simply love them. It’s a fantastic income. There’s one other query Raj is asking the right way to keep away from industries adopting inexperienced power for his or her power demand. That is actually decarbonize the trade because the emission nonetheless stays as excessive as it will have been. Whereas it depends upon the inexperienced power they use, whether it is renewable power, it’s not. No emission. It relies upon what are they changing the fossil gas with? So whether it is a few of the fuels that are produced by consuming renewable power, however it’s a number of occasions greater than the common power, then its query mark. Over to you, Michael, you could wish to take that.
MB: Yeah. 65% to 70% of the emissions from trade are for power from burning fossil fuels. So by changing to electrical energy or in some circumstances renewable pure gasoline, which is a bit shaky by way of an power supply for a wide range of causes, they’re lowering their emissions. Now for cement, a lot of the emissions come from the limestone, not from the power. And in order that’s a case the place in the event that they’re simply electrifying the limestone kiln and doing nothing else, they’re not reaching majority carbon dioxide discount. However I’ve simply gone by all the answer areas, all the method issues have options. The entire power areas can electrify with renewables. This isn’t truly onerous to abate. We’re simply refusing to do the work as a result of it’s a bit costlier. So we have now to push for that.
Carbon pricing is an enormous one and an enormous lever that’s going to dominate this house. Europe, 13 states in america, Canada and China all have carbon costs. I’ll assert once more, India is just not in that listing and needs to be. So reassert that. India ought to begin placing a worth in carbon as a result of it’s an enormous simple solution to transfer the needle on a bunch of this stuff.
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